My Prediction Regarding New Space Telescope That Will See Back to 100 Million Years From the Big Bang

by Sea Breeze in

a new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.

wow... only 100 million years from the big bang.

that is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.

Sea Breeze

Instead of finding a big mess as the big bang predicts; they will find fully formed stars, spiral galaxies and black holes. I further predict that scholars adhering to the Big Bang model will use words like: surprising, amazing, uncanny, astonishing, and will admit that stars must have formed far earlier than previously thought.

Science.org just published an article that is titled:

Webb Telescope Reveals Unpredicted Bounty of Bright Galaxies in Early Universe

Star formation after the big bang appears much faster than models had forecast

"The James Webb Space Telescope has only been watching the sky for a few weeks, and it has already delivered a startling finding: tens, hundreds, maybe even 1000 times more bright galaxies in the early universe than astronomers anticipated.

“No one was expecting anything like this,” says Michael Boylan-Kolchin of the University of Texas, Austin. “Galaxies are exploding out of the woodwork,” says Rachel Somerville of the Flatiron Institute. Galaxy formation models may now need a revision"

Wow! BB scholars weren't expecting this. But, this was expected by creationists.

I think that my prediction was confirmed.

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How far do we get away from 1914

by PimoElder in

how far do we get away from 1914 before they have a new light and admit it was all wrong?.

they cling to the old theory of the 77 week prophecy from the wrong date that jerusalem was destroyed .

with the overlapping generations nonsense still we are getting too far away from 1914. what will they say if we get to the 2030s and they still cling to 1914?.

Sea Breeze

The WT declared Christ's return on several occasions. The reason they did this was:

1. so that they could claim that the gentile times had ended and that God's Kingdom now rules. (false premise)

2. They then reason that since the church age is over, so is access to the new covenant "for the forgiveness of sins" (Mt. 26: 27-28)

3. They then further reason that if the above is true, the opportunity to be saved by grace through faith also ended and now it is support of God's Kingdom (which they interpret as themselves) that now saves a person.

Their sequence follows generally accepted timeline events for around 2/3 of evangelicals today. The church age (gentile times) will definitely end one day. The surviving nations after the GT will be allowed to enter based on their works during this time. (how they treated Israel during this time of trouble).

But no one in their right mind would state that Jesus has already returned. The entire doctrinal structure of the WT is based on one premise: The Church Age has ended.

Franz and Knorr hit this theme over and over at the 1958 Intl. Convention in Yankee Stadium. Tapes are available of their talks.

They will never abandon 1914 because their rationale for rejecting the new covenant would disappear. Jesus predicted that some people would try and pull the wool over the eyes of some and commanded us not to fall for it in Mt. 24: 26

Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. - Jesus

Nobody can say he didn't warn us.

The talk that I linked to above from Knorr, would be a great talk to listen to during the GT. The only problem is that the gentile times have not ended and the new covenant is still available to whosoever.

The apostles were clear that during the church age the Christian message would be a ministry of reconciliation.

2 Cor. 5 - he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God. 21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

This is the Christian message that is preached during the church age. If anyone preaches a different message during this time..... they are cursed.

Galatians 1:8-9

But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

WT theology is a sneaky satanic ploy to get people to willingly reject the new covenant so they they are cheated out of the offer that was forged on the cross.

The bottom line is the the ministry of reconciliation was to be preached during the church age. After the rapture, the kingdom message will be the only hope left for earth.

The WT has convinced millions that they are living in a different time period than what they are actually in.

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Ali Millar

by jonahstourguide in

hi all.. a news article regarding ali millar popped up on abc here in australia.. some of you folks in the uk may have heard of her.. she has released a book entitled 'the last days'.

i guess from the article that her story rings true to anyone aware of the wt religions' modus operandi.. here is the link and i will paste some of the news article.https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-08-09/ali-millar-jehovahs-witnesses-leaving-her-religion-being-shunned/101266998.

ali millar's upbringing in the jehovah's witnesses was traumatic.

Sea Breeze

"We were told as Witnesses that when the end came, worldly people would eat their babies because there'd be so little food … that mobs would roam the streets."

I'd almost forgot about that one. What an incredibly ignorant thing to present to children. It's what happens when uneducated ignorant bible teachers teach others who are also uneducated.

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Dr. Bart Ehrman Live Webinar Did Jesus Call himself God?

by Diogenesister in

there's a live webinar with dr. ehrman on the subject of the divinity of jesus.

folks will be able to put questions directly to dr. bart, the cost is $14.00 with the webinar covering the following topics:.

• soon after jesus’ death, his disciples claimed that he was god .

Sea Breeze

I know that Ehrman is a self described agnostic leaning atheist. So, he doesn't have a dog in this race. But, even he marginalizes those that would say that the man whom the entire earth counts their years by never existed.

I don’t think there is any doubt that Jesus existed. There are a couple of scholars who’ve argued he didn’t exist. There are a lot of voices out there saying that he didn’t exist. But they’re not by scholars who are actually trained in any historical disciplines. There are voices on the internet. But there are voices on the internet for all sorts of things. Scholars who study this stuff really, there isn’t any, it’s not a question that’s debated among my colleagues. It is not debated. Because the evidence is so overwhelming. - Bart Ehrman

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A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.

by Fisherman in

obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.

Sea Breeze

You talking about the Hawking that once said this? Great minds think alike. Sounds like you found what you looking for.

30 Greatest Stephen Hawking Quotes With Images | Quote Ideas

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A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.

by Fisherman in

obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.

Sea Breeze

Wow, it didn't take long for your "yearning" to turn into yawning.

Just a little tidbit from the chap who invented / discovered calculus:

“This most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being...
This Being governs all things, not as the soul of the world, but as Lord over all; and on account of his dominion he is wont, to be called Lord God παντοκρατωρ or Universal Ruler.”

― Isaac Newton, The Principia: Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy

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A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.

by Fisherman in

obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.

Sea Breeze

belief in a personal God (including YHWH and Christ), is hindering human progress and hindering human flourishing.

I guess this explains your total lack of interest in even attempting to defend your new philosophy when questioned like I did in my last post:

Scientific Naturalism assumes that we are in a closed system. Since there is no way of testing this, it torpedoes its own foundation before it even gets started doesn't it?

If it is closed, the where did the information come from that is inherent in light, matter, DNA, etc come from ?

But, this isn't really about promoting or defending scientific naturalism is it? It is really about you being troubled that Christians don't vote like you do, right?

So why don't you just stop beating around the bush and start a topic on a political issue that you think you can defend?

But several months ago the creator and moderator of this site placed a block on my account from me creating new topic threads on this site. As a result, on this site I can only post in already existing topic threads and there are few new topic threads on this site promoting naturalism.

Were you told this? Or, is this something you assumed? Maybe you don't know how to do it. You won't be able to post until you select a subject area. Have you tried this?

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Free Will - Does It or Does It Not Exist?

by truth_b_known in

being born-in and raised as one of jehovah's witnesses i remember a common theme or phrases used by the watchtower in its theory of why things are the way they are -.

jehovah created humans.

jehovah created humans as free moral agents.

Sea Breeze

"Free Will cannot exist as every outcome is completely determined by the given set of conditions"

Assumptive, not scientific.

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A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.

by Fisherman in

obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.

Sea Breeze

I agree VH7. I will gladly remove the below post if DJW would start a new thread on Scientific Naturalism. If this is his yearning to get other adherents like he says... he shouldn't be afraid of honest discussion.

Anyway, For most people, naturalism assumes materialism. Note what Stanford Encyclopedia says:

Naturalism

First published Thu Feb 22, 2007; substantive revision Tue Mar 31, 2020

The term “naturalism” has no very precise meaning in contemporary philosophy. Its current usage derives from debates in America in the first half of the last century. The self-proclaimed “naturalists” from that period included John Dewey, Ernest Nagel, Sidney Hook and Roy Wood Sellars. These philosophers aimed to ally philosophy more closely with science. They urged that reality is exhausted by nature, containing nothing “supernatural”, and that the scientific method should be used to investigate all areas of reality, including the “human spirit” (Krikorian 1944, Kim 2003).

So understood, “naturalism” is not a particularly informative term as applied to contemporary philosophers.

As far as most people are concerned, I believe that the three major components to naturalism are 1) scientism — the belief that scientific knowledge is either the only form of knowledge or a vastly superior form of knowledge; 2) the belief that the atomic theory of matter and the theory of evolution explain all events; and 3) the belief that non-physical things don’t exist and that the world isn’t here for any purpose.

Scientific Naturalism assumes that we are in a closed system. Since there is no way of testing this, it torpedoes its own foundation before it even gets started doesn't it?

If it is closed, the where did the information come from that is inherent in light, matter, DNA, etc come from ?

Scientific Naturalism is a dead end.

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A new generation of anointed that will not pass away.

by Fisherman in

obviously, the older “ anointed ” from 1914 died.

and because they were anointed, they hopefully went to heaven.

in the first century though, a newer generation did not replace the old.

Sea Breeze

I yearn for the vast majority of human society, including the vast majority of humans of western civilization, including the vastly majority of humans of the USA, to embrace scientific naturalism.

DJW, are you aware that neither you nor any other atheist can argue against the reality of non-material things without using non-material things?

It's like someone arguing that there's no such thing as oxygen, while breathing the whole time. It's almost like arguing that there's no such thing as arguing! When a materialist argues that only the material realm is real, that only material things exist, he cannot do that without using ideas, which Einstein pointed out are not physical.

Like numbers, ideas themselves are not physical, yet are very real. They're not made of matter and they're not made of energy. Regardless of how much we use them or how often, they never run out and they never wear out. Numbers are without limit and do not have temperature, density, color, mass, volume, shape, a melting point, hardness, odor, length, etc. They lack the properties of matter and energy, and even of space and time.

Here are a few other things that are outside of a materialist naturalism worldview:

- Math is not physical.
- Information is not physical.
- Grammar is not physical.
- Logic is not physical.
- Reason is not physical.
- Ideas are not physical.
- Language is not physical.
- Science is not physical.
- Morality is not physical.
- Truth is not physical.
- Probability is not physical.
- Souls are not physical.
- Spirits are not physical.
- Concepts are not physical.
- Codes are not physical.
- Loyalty is not physical.
- Love is not physical.

Light and matter itself travel as a mathematical probability wave that collapses into particles upon observation. Where did the information come from ? Why does observation trigger its transformation?

A materialist naturalism world-view describes very little of our experience. Why would anyone buy into this as some sort of oasis of truth? There must be a larger reality that includes materialism and naturalism as part thereof, but at the same time accounts for the things it doesn't explain.

I'm curious, Why do you yearn for others to join you in naturalism? What would this do for you if they did?

Sea Breeze

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